It's two days later and I've just been beaten up. You want to start talking about recycled water? I'll just give you a lump of 3 by 2 and you can belt the hell out of me...It's like being raped by a thousand Arabs, you bastards.”
— Toowooba Mayor, Di Thorley , 1st August, 2006
That was Toowoomba's Di Thorley - the town's leading advocate for recycled water - but did she really say that about those reporters?
“… It's like being raped by a thousand Arabs, you bastards.”
— Toowooba Mayor, Di Thorley , 1st August, 2006
Yes - she did.
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1708582.htm
The Senate Committee on water policy initiatives held
a hearing in Toowoomba yesterday.
The Senators on that committee hearing were: Sen Rachel Stewart (Greens. WA), Sen Baranaby Joyce (Nationals, Qld), Sen Fiona Nash (Nationals, NSW), Sen Ursula Stephens (Labour, NSW), Sen Bill Heffernan (Liberal, NSW).
In order to make a fraudulent submission to the National Water Commission, the signatories to that submission, Mayor Dianne Thorley, Deputy Mayor Joe Ramia and the then CEO through their own actions or instructions to others forged a document contained in that NWC submission and annexed as Attachment K
"Water Strategy Study for Toowoomba and the Surrounding Areas - Summary Report" It purported to be a document showing the result of a community consultation process. (see:
Water Strategy -Toowoomba City Council presents the options - August 2004. and Toowoomba City Council / DNRM and the missing hydrology report doesn't exist.(Repost)In addition Mayor Thorley substantiated her claim of public support verbally on a number of occasions directly with Malcolm Turnbull and the NWC purporting to have 70% community support and also that potable reuse was part of her publicly declared election platform in 2004.
Yesterday she admitted that she never had any public support. Right from the very beginning there was no public support. Did you have support and then it waned? No - there never was any support for it.Only as she dug herself, Malcolm Turnbull and the National Water Commission into a black hole of deceit of national significance did Senator Heffernen (a well known Howard minder) try and silence her by interjecting 'emotion beats science' - repeatedly. We know the party line is to marginalise Toowoomba's 'no' vote as atypical and based on a scare campaign. 35,000 people in Toowoomba know that is not the case.
They don't like being dismissed as fools and are now on a national campaign trail.
This is the
audio extracted from yesterday's hearing.
Yes Voters deceived by MAYOR, Mayor Dianne Thorley knew nine months before a water recycling poll that the result would be a no vote, she told a senator inquiry into water policy yesterday.
VISION of the future ... Toowoomba Mayor Di Thorley. Picture: David Martinelli
Yes Voters led down the garden path your Mayor wasted 1.2 million knowing she would lose and didn't tell you well she told the senate inquiry cause she can't lie to the senators but only the people hold on that's right she doesn't talk to us at all.
The Mayor still went ahead and wasted 1.2million dollars on a poll she admitted was to fail WHY? And why was ratepayers money wasted ? It could have provided up to 500 property's fitted with rain water tanks this would have been a positive outcome but this money was swallowed up by consultants and media advertising and council giveaway's to induce votes.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20002049-3102,00.html
By Amanda Gearing 'No' vote always on cards Article from: 
August 03, 2006 12:00am
TOOWOOMBA Mayor Dianne Thorley knew nine months before a water recycling poll that the result would be a no vote, she told a senator inquiry into water policy yesterday.
Speaking in Toowoomba at the first public hearings of the inquiry yesterday, Cr Thorley said she knew when she was told there would be a referendum, that it would be a train wreck and the community would reject recycling sewage for drinking water.
"I always believed it was impossible to sell to the community," she said.
Cr Thorley told assembled senators that the project could not have succeeded without millions of dollars being spent in education over several years.
The only way to gain acceptance of recycling technology was to build a demonstration plant for people to see working over a long period of time, she said.
Cr Thorley's plan had been to build the advanced treatment plant and run it for several years, conducting education programs and then to hold a referendum seeking community approval for adding the water to the drinking supply.
The councillor said her ideal vision for the future was for all residents to have water tanks at home and for residential waste water to be recycled into the region's dams.
"That's never going to happen in my time, it's too far outside of everybody's thinking," she said.
"We've already got all these dams that are empty – it's not dams that are the issue, it's something to put in them."
"Why are we using water once and chucking it out?
"And I tell you, I'm not going to back off on recycling.
"My view is recycling water is still the answer."
Bloggers comment NO Di Not for DRINKING the people have told you that but you take no notice.
News Flash MAYOR THORLEY and City Engineer Prepare their Resignations
More details soon
News Flash MAYOR THORLEY and City Engineer Prepare their Resignations from (inside oil from city Hall) Mayor Thorley is collapsing under pressure to resign for failing to provide water services infrastucture for the City TBC ASAP.
CLIVE BERGHOFER SAYS NO
THE FULL NO CASE BY CLIVE http://www.valscan.com.au/webpaper.pdf
LOOKS REAL FRESH, CLEAN & SAFE THIS SEWERAGE WATER DON'T YOU THINK ? A 25% MIX HEADING YOU WAY.
Councils Own Expert Allan Kleinsmidt stated on Radio Station 4WK on the 11 July
That We Cannot Give Any Guarantee its safe there’s no such thing. But we won’t let you have it if, it is NOT safe he said. But hold on if you can not guarantee it, how will you know ? What wait till we get sick ? NO WONDER 62% of wise people VOTED NO
Lies, damn lies and recycled water
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=118810
Monday July 31, 2006
By Alex Smith National Nine News Brisbane reporter
The Toowoomba community's resounding no vote in Saturday's water referendum had virtually nothing to do with recycling. The people simply delivered the Mayor that age-old lesson that arrogance will never attract popular support.
Mayor Di Thorley lost her bid to use recycled effluent as drinking water the day she chose to announce her plans on a national radio program, shunning her local community and leaving people with festering feelings of resentment and the perception they were being railroaded. Thorley acted as if on some mission from God to achieve a place in environmental history as the champion of recycled water. Instead, her patronising and belittling approach has set the cause back several years. The cause was further crippled by a professionally pathetic local media that was intimidated by the Mayor and failed to constructively canvas both sides of the debate.
It is yet another reminder to leaders at all levels of government that they can't attempt to jam something down their community's neck without meaningful negotiation and inclusion.
It's also a lesson to the Greens, Australian Water Association and other so-called conservation groups that they can't ride into town on some sort of pompous lecture tour and expect anyone to take them seriously. As they retreat to their capital city offices and gaze into their chardonnays, they would do well to reflect that ordinary Australians will not be patronised or forced to comply with environmentally trendy notions conceived in some popular café.
It is indicative of the nature of the campaign that the Australian Water Association chose to complain about the word sewage being used in conjunction with the term, recycled water. What a joke! If the lobby is so bereft of arguments to support recycling that they need to hide the water's origin, then what hope have they got of winning an honest debate.
There is another myth being perpetrated after the Toowoomba poll. The no vote was not against recycling. It was simply a 'no' to the Mayor's proposal that drinking recycled water should be the first option.
The 'no' case wants recycling, they enthusiastically want to build the reverse osmosis plant at Toowoomba's treatment plant, but they believe every litre of recycled water can be allocated to industry and other users without the need to drink it. The 'no' case also believes that if the drought continues and there are no remaining options for supply, then treated effluent should be used for human consumption provided all current concerns about hormone and chemical contamination are overcome. The 'no' lobby in Toowoomba simply objects to the notion that recycled water has to be drunk in order for it to be environmentally correct.
The final analysis of the Toowoomba poll is that there should never have been a need for a vote. A measured proposal, properly placed before the community, would never have attracted the federal requirement for a vote.
The real tragedy now is that environmental groups and the petulant Mayor are saying the Toowoomba vote has killed recycling. Nothing is further from the truth. The vote simply means that governments at all levels have to implement recycling according to the will of the people and not in response to the whims of the environmentally correct.
THE TRUTH TOLD IN PICTURES TO THE PEOPLE
MASSIVE NO VOTE WIN Councillors must resign NOW
Full storey click on Peter Beattie will follow same fate of THORLEY and Company
http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,23739,19957637-3102,00.html
Toowoomba City Council Deputy Mayor Joe Ramia Threatens Ratepayer
Ramia's abuse and threats. (500kb mp3) leaves a lady threatening message on telephone
WATER FUTURES KEEPS YOU ON LEVEL 5 FOREVER NO MORE HOSES EVER
WATER FUTURES COSTS BLOWOUT
to a massive
$73 million
NORWIN WATER IS CHEAPER is only $40 Million dollars Lasts longer
AVAILABLE NOW and is safer
Lasts 100 years could be up and running in 6 months
No Health Risks less chemicals used
Solves Toowoomba Water Woes
Lifts Restrictions
Not mixed with sewer water
Goes straight to MT Kynoch saves on pumping twice
Water futures fails to supply any additional water
1. Stops the flow creating a environmental disaster
2. Irrigators will sue council for 100's of million that will bankrupt this council
3. City Engineer Kevin Flanagan stated he alone calculated the costs on the other options with no independent assessment of costs have been made outside council WHY NOT.
4. Infracstructure Life 25 years then has to be rebuilt @ 22 million dollars
5. Operating costs 2.5 million a year.
6. Membrame replacement max life 5yrs costing in excess of $600,000
7. Equipment Life 10 years
25 years then has to be rebuilt @ 22 million dollars
5. operating costs 1.5 million a year.
6. Membrame replacement max life 5yrs costing in excess of $600,000
7. Equipment Life 10 years
Toowoomba Deputy Mayor threatens with violence local resident Mrs Rosemary Morley
Ramia's abuse and threats. (500kb mp3) listen to the threat it yourself from a public offical the deputy Mayor of Toowoomba Joe Ramia
On channel nine national news a recorded threat was played in full by channel nine and yes Cr Joe Ramia goes around threatening women by leaving phone messages on their own message recorders. Joe Ramia said that a big rock is gunna land on you and squash you. Mrs Morley who was very upset over this incident but the deputy mayor said he didn't care I have no regets about it and I meant what I said .
Now it looks that a Domestic Voilence Order may be taken out against the Deputy Mayor. The mayor Di Thorley said the deputy mayor had gone too far. Well Di don't you think Joe Ramia must resign now.
But we don't need a declaration for this recording. It speaks for itself: But we don't need a declaration for this recording. It speaks for itself: Ramia's abuse and threats. (500kb mp3)
We have shown restraint on this blog in the hope that Toowoomba City Council would start to consult the community in a meaningful and constructive way. Instead they have conducted a campaign of lies, misinformation and propaganda on behalf of a whole series of interest groups from outside Toowoomba. This is not about Toowoomba's water supply so why pretend it is.
The latest round of propaganda, attempts to manipulate the media, feigned support and public insults has been the last straw so it's gloves off time and fight fire with fire.
Channel 9 ran the story tonight after huge pressure against it.
A Chronicle journalist was going to run it in an honest fashion but was summoned to City Hall for a grilling by Mayor Thorley, Deputy Ramia and the henchmen.
Mayor Thorley goes to the press and gets full coverage, whingeing that someone says she is going to buy a pub in Tasmania. Who said it? - nobody knows. Was it ever said? - nobody knows. Poor Di.
Rosemary Morley is threatened and so is Snow Manners. No doubt about it. No innuendo. No rumour. It is contained in a tape recording made by Deputy Mayor Joe Ramia on Rosemary Morley's answering machine.
The Chronicle won't tell the full story because of more threats from City Hall. What's worse is that it all came about because of a press conference called to justify a sound and viable water option for Toowoomba.
The people of Toowoomba have been subjected to mental abuse and physical threats. There were apparently further threats made directly to Snow Manners by telephone which are not provable and therefore shall not be detailed unless we get a sworn declaration tomorrow.
This tape refers to Snow Manners' blog which can be found
here.But we don't need a declaration for this recording. It speaks for itself:
Ramia's abuse and threats. (500kb mp3)
Toowoomba Hospital to use Recycled Sewer Water for Patients to wash in that's right SH.T water to wash your wounds in and drink and bath your babies in..
HOSPITAL patients would not be exempted from a Toowoomba City Council plan to recycle purified water from the city's sewage treatment plant, Queensland Health confirmed yesterday.
Toowoomba Hospital formally announced on Saturday that it wanted to drill a large on-site bore which would deliver 80 million litres of water a year.
But Toowoomba Health Service district manager Chris Thorburn said that did not mean the hospital would refuse recycled water.
"Toowoomba Hospital will continue to always use water supplied by Toowoomba City Council," he said.
That's right recycled sewerage (SH.T) water to wash your wounds in and drink and bath your babies in.
Call your local member now tell them it's not acceptable at all.
Toowoomba ratepayers give free water to Acland Coal this water could have been traded or sold
Water futures gives the RO side stream to the coal mine for free.
That means ratepayers pay for the running costs and maintenance costs and $22million in construction costs of the plant all for a private company to benefit from, free of charge of who will get 2000 ML or 40% of our additional 5000 ML of water we need now for the city. And this was the background reason why Toowoomba council went to the national water commission.
THORLEY SAYS SHE WON'T BUT WILL SHE STILL PROCEED?
Sewage poll will count
Amanda Gearing and Brendan O'Malley
July 24, 2006 link
TOOWOOMBA mayor Di Thorley yesterday ruled out forging ahead with a controversial plan to recycle purified sewage if the idea is voted down at a referendum on Saturday.
The council has scheduled calling tenders two days after the July 29 referendum on the $68 million-plus project, which involves pumping purified sewage from the Wetalla wastewater treatment plant into the city's main dam.
An email obtained by The Courier-Mail also showed the council had received advice from Local Government Minister Desley Boyle that there was no legal obligation for the council to take the referendum result into account. The council said in its funding submission to the National Water Commission that although the cost burden on ratepayers would soar if the project did not get $23 million in federal funding, it was so important to the city it still needed to go ahead.
"If the submission is not successful, (Toowoomba City Council) believes the project must still go ahead, resulting in a very significant cost impost to be borne by TCC ratepayers," the funding application said. But Cr Thorley ruled out pushing ahead regardless of Saturday's vote.
"No, that won't happen. The tenders (have been scheduled) contingent on a 'yes' vote," she said.
"I have no idea of what the alternative will be, but the bores we're drilling and other emergency measures gives us water until December 2007."
The council had to poll electors as a requirement for Commonwealth funding of its Water Futures recycling proposal. A majority 'no' vote could jeopardise the funding.
Speculation that the council would go ahead anyway with Water Futures heightened after news of the tenders and a decision to bring down its budget to July 14, two weeks before the poll.
The budget allocated $22 million to Water Futures Project.
Documents obtained by The Courier-Mail also suggested that the council had already planned to attract private investment into the scheme.
That could mean the project was corporatised with private investment and a board of directors appointed to run the city's water supply.
Council's intention to seek private funding for the scheme was mentioned in a letter of support for the project by the parliamentary secretary to the Minister for Environment and Heritage, Greg Hunt, in a letter in May last year to National Water Commission chief executive Ken Matthews.
Following discussions with Mayor Di Thorley and former CEO Chris Rose, Mr Hunt said: "I understand that the Queensland Government has also indicated its support for the project and along with the Council will be focusing on a proposal for local, state, private and Commonwealth funding."
A spokesman for Premier Peter Beattie would not comment on any possible extra funding of the Water Futures project if the project failed to gain federal funding. But Mr Beattie would talk with Toowoomba council once the poll outcome was known.
Federal Parliamentary Secretary for Water Malcolm Turnbull said if the referendum returned a majority 'no' vote none of the conditionally approved federal funding of $23 million would be granted.
However, he said, Toowoomba City Council could still proceed with the project if it attracted alternative sources of funding.
Mary River residents say drink your own sewerage because it will save their own property's from being flooded
Mary river valley residents at the request of toowoomba city council will man the polling booths with outsiders who want toowoomba residents to drink sewer water because this will save their own properties from being flooded by a dam. These mary river people and other outsiders will be handing out the YES vote cards on polling day. These outsiders wil be provided accomodation and meals by toowoomba city council at ratepayers expense.
CABOOLTURE SHIRE COUNCIL SAYS NO TO DRINKING RECYCLED WATER
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